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It appears to me that a vast majority of 7th Heaven viewers are woman-haters. What's the deal here? Though the female characters did tend to be overbearing and moody at times, I thought they were great, strong women who didn't take any crap from men! I guess either all you clueless losers are either used to Marcia Brady and her flirty ways, or watching one too many episodes of "The Hills", "Gossip Girl" and "Desperate Housewives" to see what women are really like.

yeah all the femmenazi man-hating stuff made this otherwise enjoyable show downright unbearable!

and i have 2 words for annie camden...

**PRO-ZACK!!!**

The one episode yesterday was bordering on "Femme-Nazi Abuse"!!!

The one where, first, Annie calls a TIME OUT!! and leaves her family to go rest on some desserted beach somewhere with her dog and she was nicer to that lady she didn't even know than she was to her family. Then Simon's whiney girlfriend giving him sh&t because he didn't wear a blue shirt!! And then Mary, who is all p&ssed off because a guy wouldn't call her, snaps at Simon and goes on her "I-HATE-ALL-MEN" tyrade telling him HE should call that whiney little b&tch!! Then Simon goes to tell his dad that his girlfriend is mad at him because he wouldn't wear her (HER) favorite shirt. And he agrees with HER!!! Then she shows up and yells at Simon some more then reprimands him for not walking her to the freaking door (which, as Simon points out, is only three freaking feet away!!). Then later he calls his girlfriend apologiing and she says, "I'll only forgive you if you wear my favorite shirt to school tomorrow."

Okay, HUUUUGE double standard here!! A girl treating her boyfriend that way (making him wear a shirt she likes and then breaking up with him because he forgot to wash that shirt) is perfectly acceptable...but if the situation were in reverse, if a guy talked down to his girlfriend for not wearing a shirt he likes, it's considered domestic abuse!!

Seriously, I have come to realize that this is one severely messed-up show!! All that is being "preached" here is that women are the superior sex and us inferior males have to worship them no matter how badly they may treat us, or how much they belittle us, or boss us around. Yet if we men even dare to raise out voices to a woman, we are monsters.

I don't hate, or dislike, women at all...I just hate double standards.

this show jumped whenever matt was all hung up on that shanna chick! he went from being a man to being a wuss! "oh, shanna!!" "please come back to me, shanna!!" i personally thought she was ugly and nasty!! he could have done alot better....like me!! *kisskiss*

I first watched this show during its initial run and used to really enjoy it because in contrast to all the Friends, Seinfeld, Sex in the City and Ally McBeal stuff always on TV at least for the first couple of seasons it was a nice family show that often dealt with serious issues. But then the whole dating and sex thing took center stage and all anyone seemed to care about was finding the right "soulmate". Not to mention Annie was really mean and hostile alot of the time, less like a loving mother and more like a nightmarish schoolteacher. I think the show really went downhill after Mary went bad, because up until that point she was such a great character. But then she trashed the school gym because the faculty locked it down so that the basketball team could pull their grades up and of course Mary had to cry "sexism"! Then when Mary sprialed even further by quitting school and taking a bunch of jobs not being able to keep them and eventually stealing from her own family. Lucy really grated on my nerves with all her whining about being in the middle, or being left out all the time and how she was always so jealous of Mary. And like everyone else, I was also utterly bothered by Ruthie to the point of wanting to punch her lights out whenever she appeared on the screen with her frizzy afro. But really Mary's rebellion was when this show became another "Melrose Place"/"90210"/"Dawson's Creek".

Oh lighten up you jerks i like the show, no i love the show it's entertaining, warm hearted and flat out humorous i especially liked tunes when Simon was rapping, LOL!!!!!!!!

I could not stand all the Ruthie crap!! I mean whenever they were doing a really good episode about a serious subject, or something intreguing, it seemed like Ruthie was in eveyone's face going "LOOK AT ME!!! LOOK AT ME!!!" Oye!! She was sooooo annoying!! Like when Mary rebelled against the team lockdown and we got a load of Ruthie burping and farting to be "a guy"!! It's like rather than focusing on all the IMPORTANT stuff on the show, they had to shove that annoying little piece-of-crapola and her curly hair in our faces!! And let's not forget about how absolutely b%tchie Annie was!!

This show wasn't all that bad but it was filled with feminist propaganda.

Rather than saying all men and women are created 50/50, they were saying that girls and women are superior to boyd and men.

And I am sorry...I hated, hated, HATED Mrs. Camden with a passion!!

She was so hostile towards her family, even to her own kids....yet whenever someone outside the family was having a problem, mostly another female, she took her under her wing.

No wonder poor Eric had two heart attacks!!

When the Reverand's friend, a university profressor, admits to having an affair with his student. And the profressor's wife's reaction is...'Is THIS what we've been teaching young girls in college"? WHAT???!!

To Jeline....you are right about women characters being submissive during the early days and since then there have been some better female characters on TV, but not enough.

However, I think Annie Camden was a raving b%tch-on-wheels!! And a woman belittling her husband on a daily basis does not mean equality between the sexes. It is just the reverse of men belittling their wives, which also isn't right. I thought alot of Annie's tanturms aimed at her husband and how she treated him with such contempt was borderline domestic abuse, and there were times I recall her getting pretty physical with him. Kind of hypocritical of the show producers to tackle the issue of violence against women, saying it is wrong, yet turn around and have Annie tearing her husband down in almost every episode.

In all honesty, I liked the show for a little while....but then it started getting to me, so I stopped watching it. Lucy and Mary's constant bickering, the co-dependence on someone of the opposite sex, little kids making out right in front of their parents and, of course, Annie's frequent temper tantrums, bothered the heck out of me. So, I moved on to other shows such as "Buffy" and "Ally McBeal".

I am remembering good ol' emotionally hyper-dependent Matt. Remember when he got married out of desperation (that was the ONLY way he approached girls) and when they hit some bumpy spots (imagine that!), he decides to try and have affair with his former girlfriend (the deaf one.) What a moron loser. Then he converts to Judaism and views himself as some wise old rabbi ready to dispense great wisdom from the Torah, the Talmud or just his own big know-it-all head.

I love this show. It's my favorite show ever. I can't believe so many people are slamming it. It was such a great show. And I especially hate people slamming Annie. I guess women are supposed to be the sweet little smiley-faced submissive housewives who cater the whims of our husbands and children to you clueless morons, huh? She was a strong woman who didn't take sh*t from anybody, not even her own family! Brenda Hampton is known for writing really strong female characters. However, that little frizzy-haired kid, Ruthie, and her scenery-chewing was really annoying. She didn't look like any member of her family, she seemed more like some kid they just took in off the streets, or something. It was like whenever they were tackling a serious subject, like Lucy's friend dying in a car accident, or someone being abused, little Ruthie doing something like playing with her imaginary friend, or making finger-puppets just seemed really pointless. My favorite character on the show, actually, was Lucy, even more so than Mary, because she had the most depth and I think alot of girls could relate to her. She was in the middle of this big family, not to mention being overshadowed by her popular big sister at school, and she was so real with her emotions. She was like the "Jan Brady", or the "Stephanie Tanner" of the show. Always in the middle. But lay off Annie. She was another great character.

My sister always made me watch this misandrist piece-of-crap show with her for some sick reason and let's just say I would rather have lemon juice poured in my eyes! Firstly, the mother was a flat-out B*TCH ON WHEELS!!!!! the way she would always get on her kids' cases for making the slightest little mistake and not to even mention the way she treated her poor husband!! If I were married to that crazy woman, I'd have to kill myself!! And that wall-eyed middle daughter, Lucy....WHAT WAS HER DEAL?!?!?!?! The eldest brother with the long greasy hair was a complete wuss who always cried over some girl dumping him!! The annoying blonde kid who was always thinking of ways to get attention!! The youngest daughter with her culy unkempt hair and stupid subplots!! She makes Michelle Tanner seem downright pleasant!! And finally the babies!! Annie had to have been smoking pot while she was pregnant with those two!! I mean, she did admit to Eric that years ago she smoked pot...why stop now?!?!?! There had to be a reason for her violent outbursts, and you CANNOT tell me that she was just being hormonal!!! I think Mary, Jessica Biel's character, knew what she was doing when she decided to leave the show!!

Now Douglas, we must not be too hard on Lucy. She obviously suffered from Dissociative Disorder which explained her multiple birthdays (a different birthday for each personality) among other things. Also, she was just plain stupid especially at math. Remember the episode where she always left her lunch in her math class and when she ran back to get it, the teacher was already eating it. Lucy could NEVER figure out that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line (running across the school courtyard instead of through the halls) and the teacher ate her lunch to teach her a lesson. The real reason for the teacher's behavior was that she could not afford a lunch on her teacher salary. Anyway, Lucy is dumb.

You are all wrong!!!! I'll tell you when this crap show jumped. Late in the 2nd season Annie told Lucy a story about when she was conceived on Valentine's Day (February 14, 1983), but the episode when Lucy got her driver license (4th season) her birthday was displayed as January 22 (Beverly Mitchell's real birthday date) so the story Annie told Lucy had to be a flat out LIE!!!! IT takes 9 months until you're born so Lucy should've been born in November 1983 NOT January 1983 it makes no sense!?! Annie would've been pregnant with Lucy for 11 months!!!!! Annie lying to Lucy about her useless existence and Lucy is dumb for not doing the math to see that her mother was lying to her, you see, that story alone makes the show jump. I remember in the 1st season Lucy turned 13 right after the "Last Call For Aunt Julie" episode implying her birthday was some time after Thanksgiving.