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Where did BTVS jump the shark? You can draw the line at the end of season 5, when Buffy is killed. Bringing back the character was unnecessary, and the concept of a show about a vampire slayer could have continued with Faith, or gone in a number of different directions with another lead character.
That isn't to say that there weren't good episodes and stories from season 6. There were even some shining moments from the horrendously bad season 7. But the show was in decline during the final two seasons, especially season 7. Some people seem to enjoy this last season. I find it to be a monotonous repetition of monologues, lacking in humor or interest. Other reasons why season 7 failed to deliver:
1: The potential slayers (esp. Kennedy)When you have to load up on not just one, but DOZENS of new characters (then fail to develop them), your show is sinking. When the one you DO choose to develop is frakkin obnoxious, and your fans seem to universally despise her, you might wanna restaff your writing pool.
2: Caleb and the Ubervamp were cool monsters, But "the First" was pretty effin lame for the core villain of the season. Lamer than season 4's Adam. At least season 6's Trio were amusing.
3:Let me repeat the bit about boring monologues. Season 7 certainly did. Every episode.
4:Robin Wood. Yawn. Even more boring than Riley.
5:Too much padding. This story arc could have been pared down to half a season, and still told the same story without sacrificing any of the content.
Just another opinion.....
That isn't to say that there weren't good episodes and stories from season 6. There were even some shining moments from the horrendously bad season 7. But the show was in decline during the final two seasons, especially season 7. Some people seem to enjoy this last season. I find it to be a monotonous repetition of monologues, lacking in humor or interest. Other reasons why season 7 failed to deliver:
1: The potential slayers (esp. Kennedy)When you have to load up on not just one, but DOZENS of new characters (then fail to develop them), your show is sinking. When the one you DO choose to develop is frakkin obnoxious, and your fans seem to universally despise her, you might wanna restaff your writing pool.
2: Caleb and the Ubervamp were cool monsters, But "the First" was pretty effin lame for the core villain of the season. Lamer than season 4's Adam. At least season 6's Trio were amusing.
3:Let me repeat the bit about boring monologues. Season 7 certainly did. Every episode.
4:Robin Wood. Yawn. Even more boring than Riley.
5:Too much padding. This story arc could have been pared down to half a season, and still told the same story without sacrificing any of the content.
Just another opinion.....
I loved Buffy. Its one of my favorite shows.
- Season one was pretty good, not Great, but ok. I really liked all the characters, but Cordelia.
- Season two was my favorite Loved the villians Spike, Drusilla and Angelus. I loved the story arc. Also Cordelia grew on me and became my favorite character. The final episode Becoming was my favorite
-Season three was really good. I sorta didnt like Faith at first but she grew on me. I liked the whole evil mayor thing at the end.
-Season four is my least favorite. The villian Adam was lame. The initiative was lame. Riley was the King of being lame. Although people say there is alot of character developement, there could of been a better story arc.Although Hush and Restless were good episodes. Also i didnt like Willow being gay for two reasons- less hot guys now and that it was out of character. I know it was hinted earlier on in Dopplegangland, but i thought it was weird for her character. I grew to like Oz and was sad to see him go, but other then causing problems for being a wearwolf, he was pretty useless.
- Season Five where to begin. The key thing was pretty dumb. I did love Glory though. I thought she was one of the best villians. I hated how they re wrote the show with introducing Dawn. I kinda wished that she was there the whole time, but at the Dad's house, then suddenly had to move back home.Joyce dying really didnt bother me. She was pretty useless.
- Season six. I liked saeson six, but didnt love it. I thought Xander leaving Anya at the alter thing was stupid. I did like spike and buffy together for some reason. I was sad when Tara died, I was mad at the writers for putting her in the opening sequence, then killing her in the same episode. But Tara dying gave us an evil Willow. As usual in the last episode of the season the world is about to end. I though that the Trio would be trying to destroy the world, but suprisingly it was Willow who was evil and Xander who saved the world, not buffy.
-Season seven was ok. Spike getting a soul was a recycled idea from Angel, who also happened to love Buffy. Hated Kennedy and the other potentials, who if ever became slayers would die on their second vampire. I thought the First as a villian was cool at first, but then became lame. One of my favorite moments of the series is when Spike is in the basement and the First is haunting him and becomes every major villian from the show.
- Season one was pretty good, not Great, but ok. I really liked all the characters, but Cordelia.
- Season two was my favorite Loved the villians Spike, Drusilla and Angelus. I loved the story arc. Also Cordelia grew on me and became my favorite character. The final episode Becoming was my favorite
-Season three was really good. I sorta didnt like Faith at first but she grew on me. I liked the whole evil mayor thing at the end.
-Season four is my least favorite. The villian Adam was lame. The initiative was lame. Riley was the King of being lame. Although people say there is alot of character developement, there could of been a better story arc.Although Hush and Restless were good episodes. Also i didnt like Willow being gay for two reasons- less hot guys now and that it was out of character. I know it was hinted earlier on in Dopplegangland, but i thought it was weird for her character. I grew to like Oz and was sad to see him go, but other then causing problems for being a wearwolf, he was pretty useless.
- Season Five where to begin. The key thing was pretty dumb. I did love Glory though. I thought she was one of the best villians. I hated how they re wrote the show with introducing Dawn. I kinda wished that she was there the whole time, but at the Dad's house, then suddenly had to move back home.Joyce dying really didnt bother me. She was pretty useless.
- Season six. I liked saeson six, but didnt love it. I thought Xander leaving Anya at the alter thing was stupid. I did like spike and buffy together for some reason. I was sad when Tara died, I was mad at the writers for putting her in the opening sequence, then killing her in the same episode. But Tara dying gave us an evil Willow. As usual in the last episode of the season the world is about to end. I though that the Trio would be trying to destroy the world, but suprisingly it was Willow who was evil and Xander who saved the world, not buffy.
-Season seven was ok. Spike getting a soul was a recycled idea from Angel, who also happened to love Buffy. Hated Kennedy and the other potentials, who if ever became slayers would die on their second vampire. I thought the First as a villian was cool at first, but then became lame. One of my favorite moments of the series is when Spike is in the basement and the First is haunting him and becomes every major villian from the show.
Willow choosing Tara over Oz. Yeah I know it's because Seth was only coming back for that episode, but still. No disrespect to Tara, but until that point, Oz was clearly her true love. And I always saw more chemistry between Seth and Alyson. The group's dynamic changed when Oz left, he was like the missing piece of the puzzle.
I believe the showed never Jumped the Shark, but I will point out some issues that bother me, in order of how much they bother me.
1. Buffy's death. As I recently watched the series all the way through for the first time, I was accustomed to watching 1 - 2 episodes every night. For those 1 - 2 hours, I convinced myself the Buffyverse was the real world. Buffy's death and subsequent resurrection interrupted this trance. I found myself questioning the reality of the situation, making me realize how implausible the ENTIRE show had been! I had to take a prolonged break after this episode.
2. The potential slayers/ season 7. Horribly inconsistent with the entire premise of the show. I am glad the show ended here, based on where I hear the comics have taken the plot.
3. Willow "becoming" a lesbian. Also horribly inconsistent with the previous episodes and story lines. See Oz and Xander. A gay person may or may not be able to explain this. This has been mentioned many times on here before.
4. Dawn. She left me wondering all season, taking away from the other story arcs, characters, and plots.
My big pet peeve for shows and movies is stay within the rules you set for yourself. BTVS did this for the most part. Additionally, it let the characters evolve and mature, while still maintaining a consistency due to the rules of the Buffyverse. I am horribly critical of it only because I love it so much.
1. Buffy's death. As I recently watched the series all the way through for the first time, I was accustomed to watching 1 - 2 episodes every night. For those 1 - 2 hours, I convinced myself the Buffyverse was the real world. Buffy's death and subsequent resurrection interrupted this trance. I found myself questioning the reality of the situation, making me realize how implausible the ENTIRE show had been! I had to take a prolonged break after this episode.
2. The potential slayers/ season 7. Horribly inconsistent with the entire premise of the show. I am glad the show ended here, based on where I hear the comics have taken the plot.
3. Willow "becoming" a lesbian. Also horribly inconsistent with the previous episodes and story lines. See Oz and Xander. A gay person may or may not be able to explain this. This has been mentioned many times on here before.
4. Dawn. She left me wondering all season, taking away from the other story arcs, characters, and plots.
My big pet peeve for shows and movies is stay within the rules you set for yourself. BTVS did this for the most part. Additionally, it let the characters evolve and mature, while still maintaining a consistency due to the rules of the Buffyverse. I am horribly critical of it only because I love it so much.
I don't think this show ever jumped the shark. I do, however, believe that the show improved over time, one of the very few shows to do that, as most television shows are flash in the pans and only stay on the air because viewers remember how good it WAS. BTVS developed into a cool, original show to a cult phenomenom.
Adding Faith was one of the best decisions. At first I hated Dawn, but eventually I didn't mind her as much, although in the final season I really wanted to see Buffy beat the ever loving crap out of her. (when she told Buffy to leave, I was like kick her ass!)
Killing off Tara was horrible. (shame on you, Joss Whedon, for killing Tara just to fulfill your desire to kill off a cast member the very first time their name appears in the opening credits) this was the one big mistake the show made during its run.
I was glad they moved Angel to his own show because he was boring to me. I was upset they took Cordelia with him, but what can ya do.
Spike... hot hot hot! the chemistry between he and Buffy was intense! So much better than Angel.
Kennedy should have been killed in the final episode instead of Anya. Again, shame on you, Joss Whedon, for not paying attention to your fans when it comes to killing a character. Kennedy was hated and yet you kept her around to annoy people.
Adding Faith was one of the best decisions. At first I hated Dawn, but eventually I didn't mind her as much, although in the final season I really wanted to see Buffy beat the ever loving crap out of her. (when she told Buffy to leave, I was like kick her ass!)
Killing off Tara was horrible. (shame on you, Joss Whedon, for killing Tara just to fulfill your desire to kill off a cast member the very first time their name appears in the opening credits) this was the one big mistake the show made during its run.
I was glad they moved Angel to his own show because he was boring to me. I was upset they took Cordelia with him, but what can ya do.
Spike... hot hot hot! the chemistry between he and Buffy was intense! So much better than Angel.
Kennedy should have been killed in the final episode instead of Anya. Again, shame on you, Joss Whedon, for not paying attention to your fans when it comes to killing a character. Kennedy was hated and yet you kept her around to annoy people.
Dawn was by far the most annoying character and it was hard to watch when she was on, but man, what a show! It was by far, the best show on TV, ahead of it's time. It never jumped. NEVER!
Buffy the Vampire never jumped the shark.
It did take some extraordinary risks throughout its seven seasons (that probably didn't sit well with everyone in the audience), while simultaneously coping with all the usual problems a long-running TV show will, such as actors unexpectedly leaving. And, of course, it has its ups and downs, but not only did it never jump that shark there isn't a truly bad episode in the 144 broadcast.
The journey from decidedly poor b-movie with teeth-itching "Valley speak" and bad pacing to the remarkable, complex and grown up world of the show at its best is utterly remarkable, and generations of television writers should be grateful for what Joss Whedon et al were able to achieve here. At its finest, Buffy the Vampire Slayer takes on an almost literary quality, while never straying far from popular entertainment. They don't study this show in media and popular culture classes for nothing. Just a shame they saddled it with such a silly name.
Season 1 of the show is acceptable, but disposable monster of the week/teen soap fluff with a handful of truly excellent standalone episodes, but - while its better than the film - there is still no real indication of just where the show is headed or how revolutionary it would become.
It's in season 2 when the episode stories begin to lose their importance to the serial aspect - the "season arc." The show takes on a pleasingly drifting quality; it begins to gel...
And then in season 3 with the introduction of Faith and sex Buffy the Vampire Slayer begins to really grow up.
Season 4 can, admittedly, at times be hard work. The Riley Finn character is dull, and the Scooby Gang are out of High School, which requires a new dynamic. There are a few teething problems in discovering that new dynamic...
But it's lightly peppered with clues as to the audacious device the show would utilise in season 5 - probably one of the finest achievements in the history of television. The episode storylines of season 5 glide, the serial aspect is to the fore, and the whole thing plays almost like one long movie.
The arrival of Dawn is both clever and swaggeringly confident. This is a show at its creative peak, and its a very high peak indeed. Far from being the moment at which the show loses its way, the sudden imposition of a previously non-existence character is - in large part - flipping the bird. "We're so good, we can do this and get away with it."
And they're right. Could have fallen flat on its face at that point, but in fact transcends to another level - becoming a meta-narrative as well as a damnably good yarn.
The balance between the soap opera and the silliness is perfect throughout the 22 episodes. The barely concealed subtext of the arc story is bible black. It's almost painfully good.
Season 6, after the network shift, sees the show continuing to take extraordinary risks, perhaps not with quite such success, but to present something this unrelenting bleak in a cult fantasy show that started out so goofy is brave. Dour, existential and at times genuinely touching, here we have a season-long payback for the ending of season 5 where lesser shows would have simply righted themselves, and gone for business as usual after one or two episodes.
Not all of season six works. The decision to make the villains the comic relief throughout the first half, and fairly inept and small-time right to the end serves the mechanics (the concept seems to include turning everything on its head to see if it will break), but irritates. It's Buffy the Vampire Slayer gone topsy-turvy with the subtext out in the open, and everything inverted. It's a deliberate, slow implosion, which - in context - pushes the envelope. Should a show like this go this dark?
The key episode is the one in which Buffy imagines herself in an asylum, and the entire Buffy Universe we have come to know to be a figment of her imagination. Crucially, that episode leaves us with a scene that implies that perhaps the mad girl in the padded cell is the real one after all. Again, it's meta-narrative, and gloriously glum and angsty.
Season 7 lightens up - because it has to. There's nowhere left to go in that direction once you have given us a suicidal hero who has loveless, violent sex with a dead guy just so she can feel something, anything in a world that has become a Hell to her. So, in a sense, it's back to the beginning.
There are some clumsy moments along the way as the show wraps itself up by sabotaging its original premise. "Into every generation a slayer is born" turns out to be a myth that needs to be staked.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer is about female power, it's about how we tell stories, it's a rites-of-passage drama about growing up, and it's cracking entertainment in all its glorious silliness - yes, even the Buffybot and the sudden strain of sci-fi that steadily, unexpected emerges.
The one trick they really missed was Faith. Should've been a lot more Faith. Squandered one of the most interesting characters on the show. Damn shame Eliza Dushku turned down the opportunity to do a follow-up series.
Never. Jumped. The. Shark. Even at its weakest moments, better than it ever needed to be.
It did take some extraordinary risks throughout its seven seasons (that probably didn't sit well with everyone in the audience), while simultaneously coping with all the usual problems a long-running TV show will, such as actors unexpectedly leaving. And, of course, it has its ups and downs, but not only did it never jump that shark there isn't a truly bad episode in the 144 broadcast.
The journey from decidedly poor b-movie with teeth-itching "Valley speak" and bad pacing to the remarkable, complex and grown up world of the show at its best is utterly remarkable, and generations of television writers should be grateful for what Joss Whedon et al were able to achieve here. At its finest, Buffy the Vampire Slayer takes on an almost literary quality, while never straying far from popular entertainment. They don't study this show in media and popular culture classes for nothing. Just a shame they saddled it with such a silly name.
Season 1 of the show is acceptable, but disposable monster of the week/teen soap fluff with a handful of truly excellent standalone episodes, but - while its better than the film - there is still no real indication of just where the show is headed or how revolutionary it would become.
It's in season 2 when the episode stories begin to lose their importance to the serial aspect - the "season arc." The show takes on a pleasingly drifting quality; it begins to gel...
And then in season 3 with the introduction of Faith and sex Buffy the Vampire Slayer begins to really grow up.
Season 4 can, admittedly, at times be hard work. The Riley Finn character is dull, and the Scooby Gang are out of High School, which requires a new dynamic. There are a few teething problems in discovering that new dynamic...
But it's lightly peppered with clues as to the audacious device the show would utilise in season 5 - probably one of the finest achievements in the history of television. The episode storylines of season 5 glide, the serial aspect is to the fore, and the whole thing plays almost like one long movie.
The arrival of Dawn is both clever and swaggeringly confident. This is a show at its creative peak, and its a very high peak indeed. Far from being the moment at which the show loses its way, the sudden imposition of a previously non-existence character is - in large part - flipping the bird. "We're so good, we can do this and get away with it."
And they're right. Could have fallen flat on its face at that point, but in fact transcends to another level - becoming a meta-narrative as well as a damnably good yarn.
The balance between the soap opera and the silliness is perfect throughout the 22 episodes. The barely concealed subtext of the arc story is bible black. It's almost painfully good.
Season 6, after the network shift, sees the show continuing to take extraordinary risks, perhaps not with quite such success, but to present something this unrelenting bleak in a cult fantasy show that started out so goofy is brave. Dour, existential and at times genuinely touching, here we have a season-long payback for the ending of season 5 where lesser shows would have simply righted themselves, and gone for business as usual after one or two episodes.
Not all of season six works. The decision to make the villains the comic relief throughout the first half, and fairly inept and small-time right to the end serves the mechanics (the concept seems to include turning everything on its head to see if it will break), but irritates. It's Buffy the Vampire Slayer gone topsy-turvy with the subtext out in the open, and everything inverted. It's a deliberate, slow implosion, which - in context - pushes the envelope. Should a show like this go this dark?
The key episode is the one in which Buffy imagines herself in an asylum, and the entire Buffy Universe we have come to know to be a figment of her imagination. Crucially, that episode leaves us with a scene that implies that perhaps the mad girl in the padded cell is the real one after all. Again, it's meta-narrative, and gloriously glum and angsty.
Season 7 lightens up - because it has to. There's nowhere left to go in that direction once you have given us a suicidal hero who has loveless, violent sex with a dead guy just so she can feel something, anything in a world that has become a Hell to her. So, in a sense, it's back to the beginning.
There are some clumsy moments along the way as the show wraps itself up by sabotaging its original premise. "Into every generation a slayer is born" turns out to be a myth that needs to be staked.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer is about female power, it's about how we tell stories, it's a rites-of-passage drama about growing up, and it's cracking entertainment in all its glorious silliness - yes, even the Buffybot and the sudden strain of sci-fi that steadily, unexpected emerges.
The one trick they really missed was Faith. Should've been a lot more Faith. Squandered one of the most interesting characters on the show. Damn shame Eliza Dushku turned down the opportunity to do a follow-up series.
Never. Jumped. The. Shark. Even at its weakest moments, better than it ever needed to be.
The high school episodes were easily the best. It started losing steam in the following college seasons. Definitely jumped when Dawn was conveniently written in as the sister that suddenly appears out of nowhere but was always there. The switch to UPN after the "final" episode was a HUGE error in judgment. The episodes alternated between boring and depressing. Also, is it just me or every person of color in Sunnydale killed, maimed, or tortured in some fashion? Spike and Buffy? Gross.
BTVS started to JTS when the writers were given freedom to do things that weren't very believable...
...and it really went off the deepend, when the show moved to UPN.
The first two seasons were consistently good, the 2nd being my favorite. The 3rd wasn't quite as memorable as the first two, though there weren't any specific red flags other than the whole Columbine controversy that caused us Americans to get a censored season finale.
The 4th Season introduced annoying "boy toy" Riley, and is when the show seemed to start focusing needlessly on Buffy's sex life. This is probably when the show lost most Christians who had defended it for being deeper than most similar shows.
Also in the 4th Season, they ruined the Willow character, by turning her from an adorable socially-inept computer geek sidekick into a queer witch. Not only that, but Willow suddenly became the most powerful character in the Buffyverse. And while Giles didn't change nearly as much, his character became nearly irrelevant, and kept going through this will-he-leave-or-won't-he syndrome.
S4 did have some good moments like the finale, and also the interesting twist on Spike's character.
Season 4 also suffered from Angel leaving the show. Another thing you'll notice is that over time, Buffy becomes more and more irrelevant in her own show, to the point where she releases hundreds of other slayers, no longer being the only chosen one. Angel on the other hand becomes more and more important, starting off as a cryptic messanger on Buffy, learning he's a part of some big prophecy, and taking over Wolfram & Hart.
Season 5 was much better, except I wish they made Dawn more likable and didn't spoil how the season would end with the whole "death is your gift" stuff. Finale would have been an excellent ending for the show though.
But S5 was also the first time they introduced a ridiculous Buffy sex robot, and if it wasn't perfectly clear at that point that the show was being WRITTEN by complete geeks, they had to rub it in by making a whole season about geeks.
S6 was BAD, with the only saving grace being the awesome musical episode and Spike's redemption. And S7 was EVEN WORSE, because at that point, they weren't even trying to make the show funny anymore, and they went all the way down to this primitive good-versus-evil plot, way below the BTVS standard set by S2! I guess they figured that they had already ruined all the character arcs, so they should just focus on senseless mayhem.
And from what I've seen, the so-called "Official Season 8" comic is garbage with slayers running amuck everywhere and Buffy going lezbo. Gee...didn't we already do that with Willow? Now, Buffy has to go through the lesbian/bi-curious phase too?
Is there some kind of rule that all superpowered girls have to become lesbians or bisexual?
Now I understand what network execs are good for...keeping writers from doing crap like this.
...and it really went off the deepend, when the show moved to UPN.
The first two seasons were consistently good, the 2nd being my favorite. The 3rd wasn't quite as memorable as the first two, though there weren't any specific red flags other than the whole Columbine controversy that caused us Americans to get a censored season finale.
The 4th Season introduced annoying "boy toy" Riley, and is when the show seemed to start focusing needlessly on Buffy's sex life. This is probably when the show lost most Christians who had defended it for being deeper than most similar shows.
Also in the 4th Season, they ruined the Willow character, by turning her from an adorable socially-inept computer geek sidekick into a queer witch. Not only that, but Willow suddenly became the most powerful character in the Buffyverse. And while Giles didn't change nearly as much, his character became nearly irrelevant, and kept going through this will-he-leave-or-won't-he syndrome.
S4 did have some good moments like the finale, and also the interesting twist on Spike's character.
Season 4 also suffered from Angel leaving the show. Another thing you'll notice is that over time, Buffy becomes more and more irrelevant in her own show, to the point where she releases hundreds of other slayers, no longer being the only chosen one. Angel on the other hand becomes more and more important, starting off as a cryptic messanger on Buffy, learning he's a part of some big prophecy, and taking over Wolfram & Hart.
Season 5 was much better, except I wish they made Dawn more likable and didn't spoil how the season would end with the whole "death is your gift" stuff. Finale would have been an excellent ending for the show though.
But S5 was also the first time they introduced a ridiculous Buffy sex robot, and if it wasn't perfectly clear at that point that the show was being WRITTEN by complete geeks, they had to rub it in by making a whole season about geeks.
S6 was BAD, with the only saving grace being the awesome musical episode and Spike's redemption. And S7 was EVEN WORSE, because at that point, they weren't even trying to make the show funny anymore, and they went all the way down to this primitive good-versus-evil plot, way below the BTVS standard set by S2! I guess they figured that they had already ruined all the character arcs, so they should just focus on senseless mayhem.
And from what I've seen, the so-called "Official Season 8" comic is garbage with slayers running amuck everywhere and Buffy going lezbo. Gee...didn't we already do that with Willow? Now, Buffy has to go through the lesbian/bi-curious phase too?
Is there some kind of rule that all superpowered girls have to become lesbians or bisexual?
Now I understand what network execs are good for...keeping writers from doing crap like this.
Wait for it. Soon you'll see why so many people like Spike more than Angel. He is very loyal which makes him more attractive. Careful though this show is very addictive.
Hi There All,
I am watching this show, BTVS, for the first time all the way through. My daughter is the Buffy Buff, so I got curious about what attracted her to this show. I am in Season Five right now, where they just buried Joyce, and Spike get the BuffyBot created. I find Spike amusing, Buffy effective, Gile reliably Gile, Xander funny in a vague sort of way, Anya silly like an Autistic person coming out it, and Willow, oh my God, I find Willow so annoying. Heck, I even like Dawn, though she is defensive, difficult, but believable as a teenage. Is it the actress or the part, I am not sure; I think it is the combination of both of them, but she constantly comes across as someone who just does everything stupidly. Maybe she is too geeky for my comfort. They say if you hate something about someone, it is something you hate in yourself but haven't faced. Then I am emotionally silly, stumble over my words, and such. But, I do not. I guess it doesn't matter. My daughter told me lots of peole find Willow their favorite character. I like Tara because at least when she speaks she sounds like an intelligent sensible person who is emotionally connected tot he world around her. Oh well, I am enjoying watching the snow, and trying to see what the huge appeal was. I know that some scenes move me, thus far, the one where she lost her mother was a very difficult disturbing one, and the positive scenes with Angel have a very solid loving feel to them. Yes, I do prefer Angel to Spike thus far, but my daughter tells me that without a soul, it isn't fair to compare Spike to Angel, at least not until that field is levelled with Spike's receipt of a soul. I will keep watching all the way through, and then I may watch it all once again, maybe. Thanks for listening, Carol
I am watching this show, BTVS, for the first time all the way through. My daughter is the Buffy Buff, so I got curious about what attracted her to this show. I am in Season Five right now, where they just buried Joyce, and Spike get the BuffyBot created. I find Spike amusing, Buffy effective, Gile reliably Gile, Xander funny in a vague sort of way, Anya silly like an Autistic person coming out it, and Willow, oh my God, I find Willow so annoying. Heck, I even like Dawn, though she is defensive, difficult, but believable as a teenage. Is it the actress or the part, I am not sure; I think it is the combination of both of them, but she constantly comes across as someone who just does everything stupidly. Maybe she is too geeky for my comfort. They say if you hate something about someone, it is something you hate in yourself but haven't faced. Then I am emotionally silly, stumble over my words, and such. But, I do not. I guess it doesn't matter. My daughter told me lots of peole find Willow their favorite character. I like Tara because at least when she speaks she sounds like an intelligent sensible person who is emotionally connected tot he world around her. Oh well, I am enjoying watching the snow, and trying to see what the huge appeal was. I know that some scenes move me, thus far, the one where she lost her mother was a very difficult disturbing one, and the positive scenes with Angel have a very solid loving feel to them. Yes, I do prefer Angel to Spike thus far, but my daughter tells me that without a soul, it isn't fair to compare Spike to Angel, at least not until that field is levelled with Spike's receipt of a soul. I will keep watching all the way through, and then I may watch it all once again, maybe. Thanks for listening, Carol
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