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I liked the show very much, unfortunately it was very underrated in spite of its popularity it was lost between friends and seinfeld.
It's one of the smartest show ever. my fave char is Roz ( i loathe niles with passion).
It's one of the smartest show ever. my fave char is Roz ( i loathe niles with passion).
Overall I liked the show from season 1 through 11. But there were a couple times when the quality sank and I knew the end was near. Perhaps it ran one season too long but it was always decent, if not great.
Daphne and Niles getting engaged was a big turning point, and many episodes after that day were less than hilarious. Roz having a baby could be considered another downward turn in the show. Martin getting a permanent girlfriend, eventually fiance.
Frasier and Roz sleeping together.
Those last few seasons it seems the writers were desperate to find heart when they should have just been entertaining us.
I also agree with some of the other folks here about episode 3. It was silly to make the boys seem like snobs after they had their ties chopped off.
Shame because thats so early in their maiden season and it almost killed the show right there.
The boys WERE snobs but the writers made that point better in later episodes.
Season two with the gay guy assuming Frasier is gay was fanatastic, and some folks might suggest the show stopped being hysterical after that.
Daphne and Niles getting engaged was a big turning point, and many episodes after that day were less than hilarious. Roz having a baby could be considered another downward turn in the show. Martin getting a permanent girlfriend, eventually fiance.
Frasier and Roz sleeping together.
Those last few seasons it seems the writers were desperate to find heart when they should have just been entertaining us.
I also agree with some of the other folks here about episode 3. It was silly to make the boys seem like snobs after they had their ties chopped off.
Shame because thats so early in their maiden season and it almost killed the show right there.
The boys WERE snobs but the writers made that point better in later episodes.
Season two with the gay guy assuming Frasier is gay was fanatastic, and some folks might suggest the show stopped being hysterical after that.
There was an episode from the first season that didn't make any sense not that it was JTS. Martin takes Frasier and Niles to this really crappy restaurant I believe it was a steak house, it wasn't a modest place that served good food but some junky almost fast food dump. The two wear silk ties and the waiter makes this big deal about no ties in the restaurant and proceeds to take a scissor to both their ties and cuts them off. The two are justified in being angry I think thats called assault not to mention a fine silk tie can cost over 150 bucks, Martin gets huffy and plays on this he's working class and they are these stuffy snobs bit. In real life Frasier could have sued nobody has a right to do that. If a place is a crappy restaurant than so be it, they have a right to call Martin out on it. it's the one episode that stuck in my mind as being poorly written. I could see Frasier and Niles liking a good, but modest place that served great food but the writers made Martin look foolish for liking a bad restaurant.
By the termonology used by the most recent poster, my guess would be that he or she is from England. If you are reading this, please tell me if I am correct! Another thing that I would like to touch on is what this poster said about the show being esentially a "gay" show. I am going to have to say that I am as straight as an arrow and I liked it a lot! I espeicially liked its current events humor. I remember when Frasier said that a lady was coming to his apartment for the second time in a week to pick up some more "Frequant Frasier Miles"! How funny! Another thing that I really enjoyed was when Felicity Huffman appeared on the show. I thought that she was truely hot stuff!
It was funny alright...but the FRASIER Crane character was a joke, it worked if it was a self-satire for psychiatrics.
He was dumb, often falls in stupid situations and he always has some weird issues he cannot solve although he studies the human psyche.
NILES is the same, and at the end he became too much of a wimp to be liked.
DAPHNE was fine, but when she hooked-up with NILES her comedic part was certainly over.
The only characters that I actually liked and who represented a real portrayal of people were ROZ and MARTIN...not to mention the show dragged on for too long
He was dumb, often falls in stupid situations and he always has some weird issues he cannot solve although he studies the human psyche.
NILES is the same, and at the end he became too much of a wimp to be liked.
DAPHNE was fine, but when she hooked-up with NILES her comedic part was certainly over.
The only characters that I actually liked and who represented a real portrayal of people were ROZ and MARTIN...not to mention the show dragged on for too long
Definitely jumped when Niles and Daphne got together. I can see why a successful show has to keep going but Frasier was so sublimely good in the early years that the later series (despite some nice lines) are really awful in comparison and Daphne's family is the nadir. I think it was essentially a gay sitcom and worked best when Frasier and Niles were two prissy bachelors. R.I.P. Eddie.
Frasier never jumped. It came teeteringly close with the low quality of a lot of the shows in Season 9 - Kirby, ugh - but the show ended at the right time.
sorry about my outburst i really am i respect women its not an outburst against them in general just why go to a website and boast their idea on one sided equality(to their favor of course) so this is my formal apology
im sorry
im sorry
KNOCK IT OFF YOU BLOODY HARPIES!!!! IT DOESNT MATTER HAVE YOU NOT FIGURED OUT THAT NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU,ME,OR ANYBODY ELSE THINKS WANNA DO SOMETHING DO IT DONT COMPLAIN sorry for tha frasier was a good show.
One of my favorites. The show never jumped, but did get progressively worse following season 8, when Niles and Daphne got together. So much masterful comedy arose from Niles love from afar for Daphne. One early episode had Frasier complaining that Eddie was staring at him. During grace at dinner, Eddie stared at Frasier who yelled at him to "stop staring". Niles was staring at Daphne and gave a classic reaction that he wasn't staring. (at Daphne). You all know the ep. perfect. "Out with Dad" was a great episode, perfect farce. Sadly, Frasier succombed to some of the typical plot devices that so many shows go for. Baby for Daphne and Niles at the end. A bad one. The culturing up of Roz was a problem for me. They had Roz going to the opera the last couple of seasons. In season 10, Frasier and Niles manuevered themselves into a very fancy club, progressively making their way into more elite levels of the club, only to have their envy take them into an alley, in a pursuit for another level of elitism. A great episode. A great poke at their snobbism. So, while the last 3 seasons weren't total losses, Frasier was perhaps the greatest sitcom in tv history during it's first 7 seasons, and perhaps the 8th. The last 3 seasons were clearly a downside for this brilliant program, but it is still better than most anything on television.
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Never jumped, although the final seasons came close. My two fave comedies of the modern era are FRASIER and ROSEANNE. Talk about opposite ends of the social scale! And like ROSEANNE, I probably could have skipped the last couple of season without too much angst.
The Niles/Daphne relationship was never as interesting after they got together. I agree with many on here who believe Daphne changed for the worse. She was always sweet, strong and opionated, but never shrewish. Her character came close as time went on. While Wendie Malick is an excellent actress, I never warmed up to Ronnie. She was supposed to be a regular, down to earth gal, but I found her a bit tacky at times. This didn't work for me in terms of her relationship to Marty because it had been made very clear that his first wife was cultured and intellectual yet still could hang with Marty and his friends without being a snob. Ronnie didn't show that side. Then to top things off, they added Laura Linney for the closing episodes. No further comment from me out of respect to her fans.
Yet today watching the show in reruns, it holds up better than what passes for situation comedy on the air today. Great ensemble acting, witty writing and flawed, complex characters. We won't see its like again.
The Niles/Daphne relationship was never as interesting after they got together. I agree with many on here who believe Daphne changed for the worse. She was always sweet, strong and opionated, but never shrewish. Her character came close as time went on. While Wendie Malick is an excellent actress, I never warmed up to Ronnie. She was supposed to be a regular, down to earth gal, but I found her a bit tacky at times. This didn't work for me in terms of her relationship to Marty because it had been made very clear that his first wife was cultured and intellectual yet still could hang with Marty and his friends without being a snob. Ronnie didn't show that side. Then to top things off, they added Laura Linney for the closing episodes. No further comment from me out of respect to her fans.
Yet today watching the show in reruns, it holds up better than what passes for situation comedy on the air today. Great ensemble acting, witty writing and flawed, complex characters. We won't see its like again.
I watched many years ago this wonderful show, and all my hope was, to see the "indirect" goal of this show: Daphne and Niles fall in love.
Here in Germany, the show ended 2003 with this episode, where Frasier told Daphne, that Niles is in love with her. So... I watched the following episodes (which were aired in Germany in 2007) with the feeling of: Its said, so they have to come together and...
they came together, but after this "Frasier told Daphne the truth"-episode, it was not "my" show anymore. Sad but true....
Here in Germany, the show ended 2003 with this episode, where Frasier told Daphne, that Niles is in love with her. So... I watched the following episodes (which were aired in Germany in 2007) with the feeling of: Its said, so they have to come together and...
they came together, but after this "Frasier told Daphne the truth"-episode, it was not "my" show anymore. Sad but true....
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